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Re: Water and other political issues.

Post by Toss » Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:20 am

Sinead wrote:Toss, I agree with everything in your post, but, you can only change the system from within, hence my suggestion that you and Gingertom should consider putting your hats in the ring next time around. I do not truly consider either of you cynical rather you are both analytical, observant, precise and incisive. Just think about it - your mail shot would get your ideas/ideals into every home in the constituency where there is a voter.

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p.s. I will still do the typing if you go for it.
Thanks for your kind words but its not a game for me .... I would be writing my death sentence with the levels of stress it would create ! :roll: however I would happily support a new party to challenge the FG/FF/Labour old pals act.


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Post by Micheál » Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:38 pm

Rocker wrote: . . . An eminent professor at the Royal College of Surgeons of Ireland, Professor Gianpiero Cavalleri, did a study a number of years ago and discovered that the Travellers were the original settlers in Ireland!
Oh Dear Rocker,

Without wishing to enter presidential or traveller debates, I think it worthwhile to point out that the eminent Prof. suggested no such thing. My recollection of his talk at GSI was that his findings suggested the exact opposite. The link you supplied seems to confirm this.

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Re: Water and other political issues.

Post by Rocker » Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:37 am

Well the day of the Presidential Election has arrived. Such a lack lustre gang! Hard to know just who is the worst.


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Re: Water and other political issues.

Post by Toss » Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:45 am

I have not forgotten how the current chancer was far too willing to sign off on the water charges ...... as I see it, we are spending millions on a glorified figurehead at a time when we can ill afford it. I am leaning towards Liadh Ní Riada, shes a strong woman who lost both parents by 10 years of age and cares about the Irish Identity .... I think she would be highly motivated in the role and of course it would rattle the cages of the clique is a shinner got in ;-)

Ps I have no doubt the sheeple will not break ranks and the status quo will be maintained.


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Post by Sinead » Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:32 pm

The list of candidates is definitely not inspiring. Can't agree with your choice Toss, she is very confused about the national average wage, was willing to fight all and sundry about spending but overlooked her extras. I do not see any of them excelling in representing us overseas. Michael D. hasn't done a bad job but another 7 years?
The referendum is unnecessary, the word is doing no hard in the Constitution, other matters would have been a better choice at this time.

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Post by Rocker » Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:00 am

All I can say at this stage is I remember Michael D saying when he was elected for the first term that he would not be seeking re election !!

When I hit 60 I found my job really hard going I was not as capable as I was in my twenties and I certainly could not hold down a full time responsible job at this stage. My idea is that the Aras is not and should not be considered a retirement/rest home!


but, the people have spoken. Like the Brexiteers. !!!


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Re: Water and other political issues.

Post by Denis Cromie » Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:12 am

Well as one of the Sheeple I'm delighted that Michael D has been reelected,he was/is so much better than the other candidates. As for water charges not paying for them on an individual basis will only lead to massive waste of a finite resource.



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Post by Toss » Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:08 pm

Fair enough Denis, Michael D won and he will have another 7 years in office .... "Victori sunt spolia"
Denis Cromie wrote:As for water charges not paying for them on an individual basis will only lead to massive waste of a finite resource.
What I cannot understand is how ordinary citizens are expected to pay for water at a rate that bears no comparison to their usage. I have voted for Labour in the past, but their failure to stand up for the people they represent has gone too far for me. How can any socialist equate the amount of water the ordinary citizen uses compared to the drinks industry and see that there is a complete imbalance ?

Big Alcohol uses up a lot of water to produce beer, wine, and liquor.

* In order to produce one bottle of beer (500ml) about 148 litres of water are used up.
* For a glass of wine (125 ml) about 110 litres are needed.

http://iogt.org/blog/2016/08/31/whose-w ... er-crisis/

According to Irish Water, the national average water use per person per day is 129 litres .... ie less than that used in making ONE 500ml bottle of beer !
https://www.water.ie/conserve/

I would be more than happy to pay for my water BUT at a rate that is calculated equitably and not in favour of capitalists as proposed.


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Post by Toss » Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:23 am

No idea what happened here


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Re: Water and other political issues.

Post by gingertom » Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:38 pm

Toss wrote:Fair enough Denis, Michael D won and he will have another 7 years in office .... "Victori sunt spolia"
Denis Cromie wrote:As for water charges not paying for them on an individual basis will only lead to massive waste of a finite resource.
What I cannot understand is how ordinary citizens are expected to pay for water at a rate that bears no comparison to their usage. I have voted for Labour in the past, but their failure to stand up for the people they represent has gone too far for me. How can any socialist equate the amount of water the ordinary citizen uses compared to the drinks industry and see that there is a complete imbalance ?

Big Alcohol uses up a lot of water to produce beer, wine, and liquor.

* In order to produce one bottle of beer (500ml) about 148 litres of water are used up.
* For a glass of wine (125 ml) about 110 litres are needed.

http://iogt.org/blog/2016/08/31/whose-w ... er-crisis/

According to Irish Water, the national average water use per person per day is 129 litres .... ie less than that used in making ONE 500ml bottle of beer !
https://www.water.ie/conserve/

I would be more than happy to pay for my water BUT at a rate that is calculated equitably and not in favour of capitalists as proposed.
Toss, are you teetotal?


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Re: Water and other political issues.

Post by Toss » Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:19 am

gingertom wrote:Toss, are you teetotal?
My sobriety (or not) has nothing to do with the FACT that profit making organisation's should pay water taxes on a usage pro-rata basis with the general public.

Looks like I am in a minority of one as nobody cares how much profits are made out of Irish water...


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Post by Rocker » Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:59 am

I think we all care what is happening to everything in the country but as the late grammer said we are "sheeple" and beaten down by the everyday problems of life.
My younger friends are out marching now with the yellow vests. But when you talk to them they have no real plan in place. They are shouting "out with Varadker" , "out with Harris", "out with the government" but these same people have not voted(apathy), are not part of a political party, don't want to start their own radical party!. Don't want to know that the Government is what the people have elected! They object to paying taxes, look for all the benefits as if they are God given and then moan about waiting lists and patients on trollies. If they are so concerned about the condition of patients on trollies why don't they volunteer to go to the hospitals as helpers and tend these people. They are looking for compensation for everything making everything a "scandal"..where do they think the money is coming from..."pennies from Heaven". It is easy to lie in bed, get your dole, put on your yellow jacket and disrupt life for everyone.! My brighter pals say these demonstrations are a measure of the frustration of the masses but, it is not enough to be frustrated. They should decide the type of government we want, decide how much they need to form a party, decide how to plan their candidates and force a general election. Then when they see the books I wonder just how bright they will be. A huge money draining pit has developed in the 100 years of indifferent governments and this will not be eradicated overnight. I wonder if there is a leader out there among our masses????Who is the world class talent who can steer us through the 21st century world, terrorism, climate change, greed, starvation,..

Oh and beaten down as I am I still pay my income tax, income levy, property tax, alcolhol taxes!V.A.T, medicine taxes...I can't think of others but...yes we are worried about water profits, NAMA profits, greed, golden circles,but we are really worried about the future of the little Island and the lack of a warrior leader.


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Post by Toss » Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:20 pm

Yes Rocker, there's a lot of truth in what you say ..... decades of state support has created a monster on both sides of the fence (those that receive the support and those that give it).

As for rebellion ..... the dumbing down of society was bound to take its toll and I have no doubt that things could get out of hand very quickly if any changes are made to the gravy train. The recent Roscommon attack on the so called security guards evicting a family shows the way things can escalate, we need very careful management in the years ahead especially if a hard Brexit turns into reality.... I doubt if Leo has the nous tbh.


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Post by Sinead » Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:27 pm

I agree with a lot of what you say Rocker. On all the protests, marches I see a young relative, how can he be out on the
picket so much? He regularly posts items from The Dail when PBP are speaking - that party has a lot to answer for.
On FB I see another relatively young relative posting anti EU posts, anti Backstop etc. I contacted her and asked her what she knew about the NI arrangements/Treaty and she was dumbstruck. I pointed out to her she will not have cheap flights to Holland to see her grandchildren and her response was 'WHY' how will Brexit affect that. I wonder if we actually have the same genes in our bodies. The two I mention come from both sides of my family.
What, I wonder, is the future for us. I have heard a call to have the right to a home enshrined in the Constitution! Where in the name of God is the money to come from.

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Post by Toss » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:18 pm

Sinead wrote:I agree with a lot of what you say Rocker. On all the protests, marches I see a young relative, how can he be out on the
picket so much? He regularly posts items from The Dail when PBP are speaking - that party has a lot to answer for.
On FB I see another relatively young relative posting anti EU posts, anti Backstop etc. I contacted her and asked her what she knew about the NI arrangements/Treaty and she was dumbstruck. I pointed out to her she will not have cheap flights to Holland to see her grandchildren and her response was 'WHY' how will Brexit affect that. I wonder if we actually have the same genes in our bodies. The two I mention come from both sides of my family.
What, I wonder, is the future for us. I have heard a call to have the right to a home enshrined in the Constitution! Where in the name of God is the money to come from.

Sinéad
The state has created an entitled generation due to years of throwing money at people in order to shut them up and stay in power. If we think its bad now ...... just wait till all the rats leave the sinking ship that is the UK and we cant say we didn't know https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politic ... -1.3709640

Once the UK crashes out and the dole cuts etc kick in there....... it will be Paddy that comes marching home. Leo and his mates wont be able to cope me thinks :oops:


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Post by Sinead » Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:33 am

Toss, I think parents as well as the State -

My Mam was apparently abusve to when I was a kid.... She made me do household jobs and go to school (wicked woman)
She gave me a curfew and smacked my arse when I did wrong (oh the abuse)
She put food on the table and I was expected to eat it (imagine that)
She put clothes on my back and I was expected to wear them and take care of them (God forbid)
She requested that I do my best at school, and my job and take pride in my work (cheek)
She suggested that I get a job and work for the things that I wanted.
RESULT: - Weirdly I get up with morals, a good work ethic and respect for law and my elders.
I don't feel entitled and don't get offended at the things I disagree with.
I thank God for my Mam.

This strikes me as the difference between us and the younger generations.

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Post by Rocker » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:24 pm

Enjoyed that Sinéad!! Even to this day I can still hear my Ma's voice advising us and laying down the law. So thankful she did.


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Post by Toss » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:43 pm

Sinead wrote:Toss, I think parents as well as the State -

My Mam was apparently abusve to when I was a kid.... She made me do household jobs and go to school (wicked woman)
She gave me a curfew and smacked my arse when I did wrong (oh the abuse)
She put food on the table and I was expected to eat it (imagine that)
She put clothes on my back and I was expected to wear them and take care of them (God forbid)
She requested that I do my best at school, and my job and take pride in my work (cheek)
She suggested that I get a job and work for the things that I wanted.
RESULT: - Weirdly I get up with morals, a good work ethic and respect for law and my elders.
I don't feel entitled and don't get offended at the things I disagree with.
I thank God for my Mam.

This strikes me as the difference between us and the younger generations.

Sinéad
#MeToo :lol: :lol: :lol:

All that suffering with no mobile phone and no sign of a creche ...... how did we survive.

Kids today spend more time talking to machines than they do people ....... that is all you need to know about modern society.


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Post by Sinead » Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:46 pm

Forgot to add the mental abuse bit - when we (6 of us) got too much for Mam she would
thrown down whatever she was doing and say 'that's it, I am putting on my hat and coat
and going into the harbour'
How come we weren't traumatised?

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Post by Rocker » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:45 pm

Sinead wrote:Forgot to add the mental abuse bit - when we (6 of us) got too much for Mam she would
thrown down whatever she was doing and say 'that's it, I am putting on my hat and coat
and going into the harbour'
How come we weren't traumatised?

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:lol: :lol: :lol: God, I forgot! my mother would put on the hat and coat and shout "I'm joining the nuns". a more unlikely candidate you would never get!! She would storm out, we would sit and chat and she woould return in about an hour as if nothing had happened. Years later we had many a good laugh about her in the convent!!


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Post by keeper » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:00 pm

All so true Sinéad :cry: you forgot the ear pull, the hair drag, the stick across the back of the legs, the sending to bed with the threat of your homecoming Da, listening for the dreaded heavy footsteps up the stairs, oh ! the mental cruelty :roll: and all that running in tandem with going to Eblana gulag, but I came away with all the same benefits as you.



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Post by bugrock » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:54 pm

Sinead, you must have known my Mammy? She used to say exactly the same words.
By the way. If you never watched the movie "Da" you should. Just for the Coliemore Harbour scene.


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Post by Sinead » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:47 pm

Bugrock, perhaps your Mam and mine were friends ....

Keeper, I never had the ear or hair pulling or the smack on the legs. My Dad was a gentle
person and always said 'ah don't do that' so Mam just banged the table with the wooden
spoon, that was more than enough. Dad would talk to us when we were erring and you
felt so guilty you never did it again.

I often wondered if Mam was going to wear the hat and coat going into the harbour but
like Rocker's Mam she would come back after about 15 minutes as if nothing had happened
or was said.

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Post by keeper » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:22 pm

Sinead it was my Mam that laid down the law :lol: my Dad was a kind gentle soul, never raised his hand or his voice to me, all he would say was, " would you just try and do what your Mam tells you " :lol: :lol:



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Post by gingertom » Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:30 pm

Sinead wrote:Toss, I think parents as well as the State -

My Mam was apparently abusve to when I was a kid.... She made me do household jobs and go to school (wicked woman)
She gave me a curfew and smacked my arse when I did wrong (oh the abuse)
She put food on the table and I was expected to eat it (imagine that)
She put clothes on my back and I was expected to wear them and take care of them (God forbid)
She requested that I do my best at school, and my job and take pride in my work (cheek)
She suggested that I get a job and work for the things that I wanted.
RESULT: - Weirdly I get up with morals, a good work ethic and respect for law and my elders.
I don't feel entitled and don't get offended at the things I disagree with.
I thank God for my Mam.

This strikes me as the difference between us and the younger generations.

Sinéad
I am very happy that your upbringing, as you list, was effective Sinéad. I would just spark a thought for you and those who were given the same experience but were not in possession of the innate qualities that you have and such that would allow them to endure those experiences and breakwater successfully into life with the abilities to be a productive member of society. Not every child or parent, currently sees that an upbringing such as you state would positively encourage or mandate the recipient child to feel that from that procedure they should be socially obedient and feel grateful from such a childhood.


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