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Re: Mystery House

Post by Rocker » Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:13 am

Great idea Micheál. Well, I for one am stumped and am not looking anymore. But, I have to thank Ian 'cause he has made me look again at all the streets in DúnLaoghaire ( albeit on Google) and I have to say I was well impressed with the clean well kept houses, clean streets, lack of graffetti,correct parking, well shod and dressed folks..how gorgeous our sea and Harbour look in the sun shine. What fabulous facilities we have in the park (been up and down that road 20 times), the great walks through interesting roads with something interesting at every turn.

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Re: Mystery House

Post by Denis Cromie » Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:48 pm

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Re: Mystery House

Post by Snowhite » Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:25 pm

Snowhite wrote:Anyone know a Postman :lol: maybe one would recognise it dontknow ;) Ah I'm clutching at straws now :P

I did suggest that Michael, good luck, hope you find something out.


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Re: Mystery House

Post by grammer » Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:29 pm

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Re: Mystery House

Post by Strum » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:40 pm

grammer wrote::D :D :D :D :D
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Re: Mystery House

Post by Sinead » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:53 pm

There is another way to find the Mystery House - look up the register for The Mariner's School. Rocker, with all your research you can surely find this Register.
There are houses similar to the one shown on Monkstown Road down near Temple Hill. In the 1950's some of this block were knocked down and a small estate was built.

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Re: Mystery House

Post by Gulliver » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:58 am

Iandc

I've kinda lost track of this one with all of the loose ends.

If you can give me the name of the owner and a year in which he/she was known to be living there, I will do a (manual) search on the Thom's directory of that year. It will not take long to do the Dun Laoghaire/Blackrock/Monkstown and Glasthule lists. Can you confirm that he/she was the owner and not renting.

For some years, it is also possible to access the voters register, but that is more difficult


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Re: Mystery House

Post by Rocker » Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:41 am

Gulliver,

I think Sinead is pointing in the direction of the roll books or registers of the Mariner's School. They might contain the address of Hanora/Nora Kelly.

Ian told us his granny Hanora or Nora Kelly came to Dun Laoghaire late September 1911 as a 10/11 year old and went to the Mariner's School near the Mariner's church. The family stayed a number of years in DunLaoghaire. He is trying to locate the mystery house which he thinks would be within walking distance of Adelaide Street but we have googled and walked all around and can't find anythink like the picture.


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Re: Mystery House

Post by grammer » Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:14 pm

Do you know I think that mystery house was and could be still under our noses
I was on the bus coming up Sallynoggin Hill (or Glenageary Hill babbby )
and I think that house is/was on the left -(no camera with me BangHead)
the height of the footpaths would have changed many times through the years and I'd say the walls gates etc as well.


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Re: Mystery House

Post by Strum » Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:52 pm

Here, just to save you going back a few pages for a look.

Umm doubtful Grammer. You mean actually on the hill? dontknow


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Re: Mystery House

Post by Rocker » Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:23 pm

Grammer,

I know I said I wasn't going Googling again but...couldn't resist. The few on the top left near the roundabout are very like the Mystery house but have the half moon fanlights. I never realised how many different types of house design there were on the hill. Naw I've been up and down the road on Google and cant find it. We will be able to enter the "know your streets competition" soon BangHead


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Re: Mystery House

Post by Snowhite » Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:28 pm

I actually thought that at one stage also Grammer, I still think the house was in Monkstown. It's just disappeared ;)


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Re: Mystery House

Post by IanDC » Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:15 pm

Gulliver, They must have been renting the house or staying with friends, as they weren't well off and yet the house looks quite posh.

Rocker, Your summary is spot on, except that I can't be sure about the dates that they lived there. I know that they went to Canada and back in late 1911, but I can't figure out whether they were in Dun Laoghaire before or after that. So it could have been 1912 (or even 1910?).

As Sinead has suggested, the school roll would be the best bet, but only if it still existed!

I've been looking at the old map that Rocker supplied, and investigating any likely candidates on google streetview. It's odd, but all of the ones that I thought looked likely are still there, and they're not it!
I found a house at 5 Clarinda Park West which has exactly the same cornice, and some other similarities. Then when you turn round, there is a building across the road with the classical pillasters as per the mystery house. So I checked to see if there were any buildings that had been knocked down nearby - And there aren't!

I can't believe how well I'm getting to know Dun Laoghaire though!



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Re: Mystery House

Post by Micheál » Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:19 pm

Still waiting for my An Post intelligence officer to report back. He has been off this week.



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Re: Mystery House

Post by gingertom » Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:38 am

chaps I still think Strum is correct.16 Sandycove Ave.Its not on Glenageary Hill, the road incline would be bigger.Clarind Pk houses have basements, this appears not to have.Lower Albert Rd has similar houses to this and is not too far away from Sandycove Ave. :D


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Re: Mystery House

Post by skins » Sun Mar 10, 2013 1:39 pm

I can't see either 16 Sandycove East or West being remotely like the mystery house. Agree about Albert Road houses being similar style, but still can't locate "the one".


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Re: Mystery House

Post by marylen » Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:58 pm

Rocker wrote:Great idea Micheál. Well, I for one am stumped and am not looking anymore. But, I have to thank Ian 'cause he has made me look again at all the streets in DúnLaoghaire ( albeit on Google) and I have to say I was well impressed with the clean well kept houses, clean streets, lack of graffetti,correct parking, well shod and dressed folks..how gorgeous our sea and Harbour look in the sun shine. What fabulous facilities we have in the park (been up and down that road 20 times), the great walks through interesting roads with something interesting at every turn.

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did anyone check the houses opposite Sandycove Station over the bridge from the metals.



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Re: Mystery House

Post by grammer » Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:34 pm

did anyone check the houses opposite Sandycove Station over the bridge from the metals.
marylen you could be on to something there all right


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Re: Mystery House

Post by Micheál » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:04 am

Good call - but don't think so
Gates are too low
too few windows too?

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Re: Mystery House

Post by Gulliver » Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:56 am

Can I draw attention to the the original old 1895 tram post, in Sandycove, in that picture


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Re: Mystery House

Post by Rocker » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:51 am

Micheál,

Now I am intrigued...how did you capture that image from Google maps?


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Re: Mystery House

Post by Dancer » Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:58 pm

Can I just say that if that house still exists, it should be as it is in the photo because IMHO there is no way anyone would alter the facade , it just doesn't make sense. whatever about the garden walls and gates , now that's a different matter altogether.


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Re: Mystery House

Post by Sinead » Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:03 pm

Marylen, a good call, I had a look at those houses yesterday.
In the mystery house we are looking at the front of the house, back gates
were always wooden. In the 1950's the paths in Monkstown Crescent, on
the houses side, were almost non existant, on the other side (the mews
of Longford Terrace) you had to step over a little wall onto the path.
Can anyone suggest where I might find the Roll Book for the Mariner's
School?
IanDc, you say your relatives were not rich, well they must have had a
few bob or they could not have crossed the Atlantic twice. Passage had
to be paid no matter the level you travelled at. I think The Mariner's
school was fee paying, do you think Nora might have been sponsored by
The Masonic Lodge? I am trying to probe ways of finding out where the
house is because it is bugging me.
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Re: Mystery House

Post by Rocker » Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:48 pm

Sinead,

I am thinking that too. They must have had rich relatives or have sold the farm in Limerick. I have no idea where the Mariner's school rolls are or even who ran the school. If there was a Masonic connection there are good records in Molesworth Street in Dublin.


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Re: Mystery House

Post by Strum » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:41 pm

Good one Micheal. Close. That's exactly where I was thinking originally. Low path, low walls included. It's gotta be out there folks! :D



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