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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Post by Toss » Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:23 am

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Toss, I think there must be a collective consciousness around the world,as I see the same thuggery everywhere from young people.
Yes .... but dare we point the finger at the media and its glamourisation of violence ........ monkey see, monkey do !!!!

I have argued for years that children don't get the urge to steal cars from nowhere, watching and playing "grand theft auto" is bound to have an influence. The same can be said about gang violence ..... its a learned behaviour from TV/Film.


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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Post by bugrock » Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:54 am

Much as I agree,Toss, a lot of young hoons can't even read and write,. This would surely limit their gaming experiences. I would also argue that a lot of Rap "music" contains the lousy grammer and filthy messages they fully understand.
A point I would like to make is that not all rap is like this, just the stuff to which these young thugs gravitate.
While not saying my view is correct, I do get this idea from my years as a DJ.


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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Post by Toss » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:34 pm

bugrock wrote:
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Much as I agree,Toss, a lot of young hoons can't even read and write,. This would surely limit their gaming experiences. I would also argue that a lot of Rap "music" contains the lousy grammer and filthy messages they fully understand.
A point I would like to make is that not all rap is like this, just the stuff to which these young thugs gravitate.
While not saying my view is correct, I do get this idea from my years as a DJ.
The ability to read and write does not excuse bad behaviour ... but a lack of parenting must have a huge impact. If teenagers are out of control, it does not happen overnight.

Has no one noticed little Johnny was out all hours ?

Has no one noticed his language and aggressive behaviour getting worse ?

What is his school record like ?

From my experience, teenagers out of control have a history of poor parenting, lack of structure and no limits. There can of course be excuses for all of this, but my guess is that the behaviour goes back to the ages of 6, 7 or 8 and has evolved since then. In Ireland, what happens between Primary School and Secondary ? are the systems are linked and records forwarded ? I know from my kids time, it was goodbye and good luck when they left Primary School ..... maybe its changed now, but if not it needs to. A childs education should be linked and tracked with any issues such as truancy or aggressive behaviour easily identified along the way.... but that is probably asking too much or just not acceptable under childrens rights.


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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Post by Toss » Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:28 pm

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Further to the above discussion about lawless teens and lack of ..... today this happened :

An 800-year-old 'Crusader' from a crypt in St Michan's Church in Dublin has been decapitated by vandals. Archdeacon David Pierpoint spoke to Philip Boucher-Hayes on RTÉ's Liveline and said the Crusader's head has been "severed from his body and taken away."

What are the chances it was poor bored kids just having some fun ?


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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Post by Strum » Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:43 pm

Toss wrote:
Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:28 pm
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Further to the above discussion about lawless teens and lack of ..... today this happened :

An 800-year-old 'Crusader' from a crypt in St Michan's Church in Dublin has been decapitated by vandals. Archdeacon David Pierpoint spoke to Philip Boucher-Hayes on RTÉ's Liveline and said the Crusader's head has been "severed from his body and taken away."

What are the chances it was poor bored kids just having some fun ?

Maybe not teens at all Toss. This is not the first time around the Country in recent years. I"m just speculating but could it have a religious motive?



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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Post by Strum » Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:46 pm

Some new smilies need new names I just noticed as some ordinary words like "time" time comes up.



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Post by Sinead » Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:13 pm

Toss, parental control and responsibility started falling apart about 40/45 years ago. I first saw this when I moved into an estate in the early 70's and witnessed, first hand, parents denying wrongdoing by their precious son/daughter.

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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Post by Toss » Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:10 pm

Sinead wrote:
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Toss, parental control and responsibility started falling apart about 40/45 years ago. I first saw this when I moved into an estate in the early 70's and witnessed, first hand, parents denying wrongdoing by their precious son/daughter.

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Too true and why should they ....... there is a myriad of excuses for youth crime today and treble that involved in addressing such behaviour, its big business.


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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Post by gingertom » Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:52 pm

A figment of our imagination as humans sometimes results in our complex minds having a manufactured fantasy, married with belief and sometimes unfortunately acted out in imitation of what we view either in entertainment or reality.
It is very difficult to monitor children in terms of their access to the web. I have four teens and have their phone on a plan with the service provider which includes a function which permits me to monitor their usage of data. Toss is right when he notes that parents must be the oversight police, in terms of what their kids view online.
We must place proper enforceable laws on the books to protect citizens and especially our precious and influenceable youth from improper and devilish perceptions.


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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Post by Rocker » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:05 pm

Toss wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:10 pm
Sinead wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:13 pm
Toss, parental control and responsibility started falling apart about 40/45 years ago. I first saw this when I moved into an estate in the early 70's and witnessed, first hand, parents denying wrongdoing by their precious son/daughter.

Sinéad
Too true and why should they ....... there is a myriad of excuses for youth crime today and treble that involved in addressing such behaviour, its big business.
Toss, up to a while ago I was scepticle about the social services and supports being big business. Now, I am trying to open my eyes and whenever I get a chance to chat to someone whom I think might be "in the system" I try to get a handle and broaden my narrow mind. There I was the other day in a large waiting room of a hospital with the usual 20 odd waiting for the 10.00 hours appointment!! I brought up the subject of carers, child minding, social workers, etc..actually the girl was having a rant so I just had to nod and nod. She is having a relationship problem coupled with various abuses and is being visited by a Social worker, a psychologist, been referred for community programmes which included diet, nutrition advice etc. She is on the go every day attending this and that when all she wants is to be left alone to lick her wounds and try to cope with her small family but all these professionals are getting a salary to try and fix what is not really broken just bruised and sad.


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Re: Somewhere to Chat.

Post by Toss » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:15 am

Rocker wrote:
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but all these professionals are getting a salary to try and fix what is not really broken just bruised and sad.
Therein lies the problem ...... the state has created a monster by throwing money at problems. As soon as anyone asks a question of a Minister in the Dáil, there will be a list of responses spun out in order to show how the state is working to solve the issue. It is my belief that this is overkill and that empowering people to solve their own problems is the answer.


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